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by Jim Downs - Wednesday, 18 December 2019, 11:33 PM

Re: Cynics: See 121:4.4 ...the Cynics made their religio-philosophy democratic. In the fields and in the market places they continually preached their doctrine that "man could save himself if he would." They preached simplicity and virtue and urged men to meet death fearlessly.

98:1.1 Se also: 93:6.4.This covenant of Melchizedek with Abraham represents the great Urantian agreement between divinity and humanity whereby God agrees to do everything; man only agrees to believe God's promises and follow his instructions.

98:2.8.In Greece, believing was subordinated to thinking; in Palestine, thinking was held subject to believing. Much of the strength of Christianity is due to its having borrowed heavily from both Hebrew morality and Greek thought. JD: I do not understand this - Let's discuss.

98:1.3 Fate: se also: (89:8.5) Man could never even dream of entering into a contract with Deity until his concept of God had advanced to the level whereon the universe controllers were envisioned as dependable. And man's early idea of God was so anthropomorphic that he was unable to conceive of a dependable Deity until he himself became relatively dependable, moral, and ethical.

98:2.12 . ..Philosophy is to religion as conception is to action. But the ideal human estate is that in which philosophy, religion, and science are welded into a meaningful unity by the conjoined action of wisdom, faith, and experience.

See also: (102:7.5) The intellectual earmark of religion is certainty; the philosophical characteristic is consistency; the social fruits are love and service. And: (195:8.3) At the time of this revelation, the prevailing intellectual and philosophical climate of both European and American life is decidedly secular—humanistic. For three hundred years Western thinking has been progressively secularized. Religion has become more and more a nominal influence, largely a ritualistic exercise. The majority of professed Christians of Western civilization are unwittingly actual secularists.

JD: I like these references: 98:6.1 [the fundamental need for]...a powerful driving agency for the preservation of higher moral and spiritual values. And the need for all forms of values: 98:6.5 ... Greek philosophy supplied the concepts of ethical value; Mithraism, the ritual of worship observance; and Christianity, as such, the technique for the conservation of moral and social values.

98:6.4 Nuns did have quite a bit of power in the early church. "The Abbess could exercise considerable power, especially if she was also of noble or royal birth. Few women could rise to such power in any other way by their own achievements. Queens and empresses gained their power as a daughter, wife, mother, sister, or other relatives of a powerful man."

98:7.1 ...even the great advocate of the atonement doctrine realized something of this truth, for he declared that "God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself." JD:  Was the 'great advocate' Paul?